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New postby arukAdo on 27 Sep 07, 19:01

Have a look at your pms ;)
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New postby Alan Death on 27 Sep 07, 21:37

*downloading*

yeah i will try get the timming, but the wolf glitch still the most difficult for me, i already know how to do it and when jump/transform back. But the timming is a little hard, im practing with 20FPS so i can wait and master the landing position.

After i master that i will practice the Level up shift.

Thanks a lot for the videos ^^
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New postby arukAdo on 27 Sep 07, 21:51

Honnestly without a savestate for the level up shift, even if its *only* 20min run, you would need a freaking practice to be able to pull it "live", i would realy be impress ;)


Tough i would not say impossible, outofthegamer did pulled a ~27% score with 3 save rooms in console, and that was realy not easy to perform, so i believe that speedrun can be "mastered", but youll get lot of failure for sure lol


For some very particular situation, i have flawless method for level up shift, i mean like working every time with easy timing and same way, one for exemple is the poison plant in the library

I would need to make a small video (anyway outta need it...) showing this one, it work always the same way, pretty easy to learn the timing

But for the guardian problem is that he have heavy hp, and on video its cut, but you can believe me yuntian had hard time to bring back the green guy and doing level up like that, this probably made him lost a lot of time (not even speaking of the fact any wrong hit would be lethal)
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New postby outofthegamer on 27 Sep 07, 22:24

I don't think you mentioned one key aspect of the level-up shift. In order to get knocked back really fast (big toss) you must lose more than 1/2 of your total HP in one hit. So if you start a new luck mode game with 25 HP, you need 13 damage. At 75 HP you need 37 damage from one hit, etc.

Use toadstools to poison yourself (if needed) to double the damage taken from enemies. And use the bomb or magic missile so that it will kill the enemy immediately after you get hit.
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New postby arukAdo on 27 Sep 07, 22:25

Nah its ok, speedrun start luck mode, and guardian deal HUGE ammount of damage, already thinked about that ;)
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New postby Alan Death on 28 Sep 07, 01:23

anyone have any tip to make the wolf glitch skip richter?

i did around 5000 times and didnt work yet :(
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New postby Pale-Dim on 28 Sep 07, 02:23

the wolf glitch is not an easy tech to master and i would highly suggest to test it at normal speed. its also hard to master because there are 3 different slope types. small mid and big. each type is different in respects to timing and speed required. The only reason i seem to be good at it is from practise. years ago when there was no such things as DHR or ET it was one of the few ways to get under a floor and thats how i mastered it.. because there was no other way, i had to learn it.

dont be discouraged it took me a while to get it too. and its not like i get each wg everytime, its far from that. there are some slopes that are super easy and some that are damn hard.

the wolfglitch in the castlekeep usualy requires a certain standing spot to start at. if you look at the 1 relic wolf glitch topic (i think there is one or ill find it for you. i have it on video) it will show were to start. this spot is kinda bumpy with the slope-straight floor-slope where your running so you need to learn to use the little bump you get in this run to land the wolf glitch
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New postby Alan Death on 28 Sep 07, 02:27

The library i get but this one i need a video to slow and watch carefully, so i can understand the jump and landing position. ^^
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New postby greyback17 on 28 Sep 07, 12:55

I'm also trying speedruns.

But I can't pass the first two bosses!

Revenge, I can't revenge them. ^^
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New postby arukAdo on 28 Sep 07, 12:59

I dont see the point revenge them

If you try to get the lib card in marble gallery, forget it, its just not doable that fast, i tryed a lot

Else i realy dont see why to revenge gaibon & slogra
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New postby greyback17 on 28 Sep 07, 13:09

for big toss. I need low level
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New postby arukAdo on 28 Sep 07, 13:10

Where to use big toss?

Up to the doppleganger you can be ~30HP even killing everything in your way
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New postby greyback17 on 28 Sep 07, 13:26

big toss for the library card
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New postby arukAdo on 28 Sep 07, 14:03

If you mean about library card in marble gallery, you cant use big toss for level up shift

The skeleton deal 8dmg, and you cant have poison there, so you would need to be 16HP...


The only way to get that lib card is backdash level up & HR

Or

1HR ET with backdash....


But for backdash level up & HR it cant work in speedrun, because you will never been able to have exp next level = 1 when you get to lib card place, its not possible even revenge gaibon&slogra or whatever
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New postby Alan Death on 29 Sep 07, 01:11

WG tip:

Watch both videos paledim's 1 relic WG and WG at library and get the joy.

Do the command as if you were playing and not watching the movie.
This tech made much easier do a WG ( It still difficult, but it helped a lot )

Speed Run: 32 mins with savestate ( forgot to control de killing :P )
took me 5 minutes to kill the guardian OMG ( after being killed dozen times )
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