World Beyond Walls

The idea is simple : get to last save point with the lowest map possible





No Save Rooms Scores (emu)




Lowest Map : Joachim -- 23.7%

Video from Mobile Suit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS1MRAWn3us



Joachim -- 23.8% (library & coloseum corner)



Btw yes there is cheat code on money, tough its not realy needed
No video sorry, look mine anyway




arukAdo -- 24.0% (revenge no clock, library card in marble gallery)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvRUF_fxieQ

IC - 24.0%

RC - 24.0%





Bug7139 26.5%

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-R14K6puas

IC - 26.5%

RC - 26.5%







Save Rooms Scores (console)

OutOfTheGamer 27.3%

IC - 27.1%

RC - 27.1%




Challenge Author : Bug7139

Timeline
26.5% | 250 Rooms ----> bug7139 12/11/05 (3 wolf relics)
26.2% | 247 Rooms ----> bug7139 2006 (2 wolf relics -3rooms)
26.1% | 246 Rooms ----> Tooya 2006 (2 wolf relics, IC 3rd belltower -1room)
26.0% | 245 Rooms ----> yuntian 2006 (1 wolf relic -2rooms, +1 room RC keep)
24.3% | 229 Rooms ----> arukAdo 20/06/07 (library cards, -16 rooms)
24.0% | 227 Rooms ----> arukAdo 01/07/07 (revenge no clock, -2rooms library)
23.8% | 225 Rooms ----> Joachim 17/10/07 (library & IC coloseum corners, -2 rooms)
23.7% | 224 Rooms ----> Joachim xx/11/07 (marble gallery corner, -1 rooms)


[Original Posts Below]

So the question is simply, how to improve this?


The easy answer is you can prevent to get the wolf relic in entrance, and still be able to skip richter (soul+labs relic)

This would discard 0.2%

For now im not sure what are the others way to discard more


But i have now an idea on how to deal with the clock tower

If you just do a ET in the doorway leading to inside clock tower from the huge open space
For the sake of my idea, lets say you would have gavity boot, just until until the ceilling, and then push left > you reaper inside secrets area of the clock tower !

The idea here would be almost the same than bug one, wolf raise until you climb all way the candles, BUT, fly with a head skull thingy along with you!

Then use level up shifting (backdash or bigtoss, you have 1HR...), wolf raise behind the wall, and hopefully enter secret area

Btw the more "tight" the shiftline is, better chances you would have to lend directly in secret area

That would discard like 0.3% maybe

Im not sure if i can exit this damn area with the wall still there, i guess its 50% chances i find a way (hellfire,wolf charge or whatever)


Im gonna try that and keep update

I just finished watching that video, and bug never ceases to amaze me.
He actually used the candles in the big clock-tower room to bounce off of--unbe-fucking-lievable!!

And a level-up shift on the spectral sword, just to avoid 1 room?!? I've tried to level-up shift on that room...it's not easy! I'd love to see what 5 rooms he can avoid from that.

How much is the percentage during his early attempts? Maybe around 28%?
Or did he try it all from one analysis and thinking and got 26.5?

I think this challenge come from wolf glitch richter, then he thinked about it and come up with 26.5% result

Level up shift for spectral sword is about just to discard 1 rooms, yes


Im suggesting to fly the candles in clock tower, BUT, with a skull head "attached" until the end, LOL! and then level up shift at the door....


2 rooms can be discarded, because you dont need the relic in entrance, for the 3 remaining rooms, i dont know


I tryed yesterday this challenge, its crazy

First you have 2 healing for the ENTIRE game, and you CANT save.... (the candles in keep are realy not the hardest part, but i agree are the most impressive^^ )

Then you must be SO perfect handling all the passage on map, i failed of course and got 3 rooms he didnt picked up so i need to restart

Not to mention you have to spend almost the entire game doing wolf rise. I could tell there were lots of edits; otherwise the video would be over 1 hour--I forgot to look at his final time, but I would never want to do that many wolf rises without save states...too crazy!!

Ah yes, the thought of the possibility for console now seems doomed without the save points, haha!

The skull head following you in the Clock tower is insane just to think about it..

Video time is real time, and around 1h-1h30 (just miss go back from entrance)

Its NOT doable console, you cant save lol

There is no realy edit, but as when you see the screen blackening, its because he check the map...

Most of jumps need you to first savestate, then jump, before you land from the jump you push map... then if you are doing good you can proceed and start wolf raise

I never fail any wolf rise in real time now, its FREAKING easy, just long and boring, of course to get it so easy, you need a turbo controller

The idea of level up shift there is insane i agree, but worth the try

If you think about it, its not that insane, he can climb to last save room, and believe me, its going to be as tricky as you would enter secret area of clock tower (remember there is no leap stone lol)

Ok today spoke with bug, he told me it worth the try for skiping clock tower medusa area, it have chances to work ! So i will work on it....


But even going there with keeping big toss condition ect... is a pain in the ass


Even just getting the cube of zoe is tricky (-0.1%) !
He told me about backdash, i need to try that

Furthermore, i might need to get the clock (+0.1%), and discard gaibon or slogra, or whatever i can find to get lower health


And finaly, i asked about console.... he answered it would be like 0.0000000000001% success rate


He dont know anybody (even chinesse players) who tryed that on console



Anyone who have emulator and savestate can try this, it would be realy awesome to skip the medusa area imo

i tryed it lol i made it to where you would have to do the wolf rise and Poot i failed i cant do wolf rise

You need turbo to do wolf raise

I dont have turbo on my pad but i use a software for that

Are you sure you could get up to this with perfect result? i tryed twice now, and always mess on something

The cube of zoe took me like 20 tryes but i just got it working




I also examined a little more the needs for clock tower to work

The skulls deals 14 damage....

So it mean you can be max 28HP

There is a way to do it, but very consuming indeed

You need to get to level4, this will punch you up to 11hearts

You need to open 4 more rooms, 2 heart max up, the fall in death area, and finaly the clock at merman area

You are now 21 hearts, so whats next?

You need to revenge both gaibon and slogra in 1 clock.... impossible? nearly yes, but since it work only emulator, its very possible i done it one time
Also you have alucard sword, making it realy easier

Then you would need to revenge doppleganger

The whole thing would open 4 rooms, and my calculation would be that the clock tower would save .... 5 rooms lol

So this would save 1 room only


If i remember well, you could save 2 rooms in entrance to skip richter without the 3 wolf relics, BUT, the fact is now whe have a NEW way to skip richter, witch dont open 2 rooms in secret stairs but require the 3 relics !

But that almost false, because i do believe using the new method to skip richter you would not get "corners" map in the broken stairs, you would open 3 rooms i guess, and bug open 2 rooms

So after all i would get +1 rooms... i would have same result from saving rooms in clock tower !

Well this just mean there is a lot of testing ahead for this lol

IC - 26.5%

RC - 26.5%


Edit : there is an "alternative" to bigtoss, backdash+HR in level up, but i never got any working so far

Also you can double revenge gaibon and slogra easy... if you done correct level up, i tryed again and you can get up to 5mp per level up, so its about to get level4 (28hp) and you will have access to hellfire, making it piece of cake lol

And finaly to get skip richter battle, i sayd on other topic that the cost is 17MP, i have 16 lol, might not work... but karasuman should level up me enough since you cant skip/revenge him

Ok i found out some things, good and bad


First of all, there is a alternative to the 14damage problem
The giant flying skull deal you at least 25damage, making it a potential better big toss than small ones


You can travel half way the open space, and trigger a giant skull without opening downside or upside rooms, i tryed and i could drive it until the door


Also i could do like excepted, getting 28hp/level4 then revenge all boss (by getting +4 rooms) and keep it until clock tower


Now the problem is about the level up shift and wolf trough the shift line

I managed to drive the wolf inside the clock tower from a 10HR ET


Then for exit i could use wolf charge and success exit without opening too much room (notice weird exit point...)


I cant do better, i can just get stuck in the wall



But now the realy bad part is : it dont work with level up shift !
When i tryed the fact is i cant travel inside the clock tower with the wolf because the shift line was too tight...
With 10HR the shift line is realy large enought for when you change screen, alucard (or wolf) is already passing the wall inside, but with level up, i reaper in the wall and fall...

Maybe there is a workaround, i need to ask bug

Im not even sure how work last ET at guardian, theoricly you should fall with wolf too, so i might miss something, but so far it look like its not doable, or need at least a bigger shiftline

Update!

Today someone on gfaq claimed the meal ticket CAN be obtain from stone rose... when i tryed this a while back, i tought it would not drop it, like the varda ring or at least same behavior

This mean you can access the library card and skip doppleganger


Well i counted the rooms, if you manage to ET inside library, the big open space, while coming from librarian, you could spare around 5 rooms !!!!!


This would be realy realy tricky, but indeed it realy worth to try it (5 rooms is realy huge improvement on a low map run), i will update after i finaly get a meal ticket and convert it to poison....


Also you would have the duplicator.... by collecting the money !!!!!!! and that something bug could not try, so its realy a new path opening to us, you could consider new tricks could emerge in order to skip rooms, since you have 1HR... you can do level up & HR backdash!!

Yes, a while ago the Detha guy verified it, congrats on potentially lessening 5 rooms or more!

Im still not sure how to deal with this


The meal ticket was the only way to do this BEFORE he found 1HR ET, but i have no freaking idea if it would be more smart to open or not the stone rose corridor....

And i need to teleport back to entrance (+4 rooms i forgot) for at least one wolf relic to skip richter... or maybe NOT! i could also use the old trick of jap version with bomb... since i have library now !!!!

If i dont open the corridor, i skip like over 10 rooms, all those are unconfirmed of course

Done!

Was very tricky but i did it with level up & HR backdash



More on this when im going further


Edit : i might be able to do my idea in clock tower, wolf raise while in shift line and fall in the secret area of the tower, why it will work now? because i can buy toadstool i think a toss might push me enought to enter in there


Edit2 : here how i could escape library, was freaking hard, took me around 3 hours of trying the level up shift with the poison plant (im 29hp .... books deal 14 under poison....)